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Fochixi #1 Posted 05 December 2015 - 09:23 PM

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So this game has a somewhat unique game pairing system. Just about a week of play for me and it's clear that many of the tier 4 HQ's have a "sweet spot" and most player seem to be trying to keep their deck ratings as low as possible. I have a couple questions about this:

Does this happen with tier 8 HQ's?

At what point is it more advantageous to just play the best cards, regardless of what your deck rating is?

What are the most active rating ranges?

What are the top decks in those ranges?

Hopefully the more experienced players can break some of this down and we can get some discussion on it that will be helpful for all. Also, is there any information on the card ratings of the alpha/beta cards that are not available to the players that didn't get to participate in alpha and/or beta?



Uriel16 #2 Posted 05 December 2015 - 10:00 PM

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In all honestly, it isn't a "sweet spot" for building your deck and power ratings. It is just more of an area that has more traffic than others. For t4, it is around 350-500. :)

Blesd12 #3 Posted 05 December 2015 - 11:17 PM

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View PostUriel16, on 05 December 2015 - 11:00 PM, said:

In all honestly, it isn't a "sweet spot" for building your deck and power ratings. It is just more of an area that has more traffic than others. For t4, it is around 350-500. :)

Most decks, with how the favorable cards work out, ends up lower.



Fochixi #4 Posted 05 December 2015 - 11:59 PM

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The Jute deck I'm currently playing with is running at 360 which I feel is high. I'm still winning at a high rate but only playing for about a week I think it would be naive of me to think it's because of my good play. Either I'm getting lucky or I misjudged where the rating slide starts to occur for Jute and I'm still in a favorable rating tier. Granted my Jute list is a little different than the lists I've seen. Mostly because I wasn't a part of alpha or beta and don't have those cards. Maybe the janky twist in my deck is good.....or at least enough to catch people by surprise? Hard for me to tell

RokkitSerjun #5 Posted 06 December 2015 - 06:11 AM

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Don't think of it as rigging, it's not. It's merely choosing to play at a certain deck power. I build a variety of decks to cover a spread of deck powers so that way if I can't find an opponent at higher deck power I can always go chose a toned down deck and find an opponent in the lower deck powers,. Since there will always be more players the lower you go in deck power you increase you chances of getting to play and decrease your que times. Also while some people might think of us veterans playing at low deck power as seal clubbing it also helps the new guys to see what the veterans do so they can learn the advanced stuff and not have to stumble thru it in the dark. You may have to take a loss to some vetran but I bet in the process you learned what cards are worth having and what targets are worth shooting. Also don't get all huffy when they beat you, be cool, maybe they will tell you tricks and tips. I know I do to people that are cool with me.

Ryan_Dazel #6 Posted 06 December 2015 - 08:23 AM

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Farming with low power decks with strong HQs is fun :great:

Fochixi #7 Posted 06 December 2015 - 10:32 AM

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I just chose the word rigging because i like alliteration. In a way that's what it is because the players that have the rank 1 cards from alpha/beta are able to play decks that are much stronger than what people without those cards are able to play. The game is somewhat rigged in their favor, but, I dont get huffy when i lose to those deck. I say gg and im happy if i was at least close. But it's why i raise the questions i did. Might it not be better to just play the best cards you have and push yourself into a higher rating if you dont have access to those cards that? At some point, they lose some potency and become a sub optimal choice. The most successful version of Jute I've been able to play sits at about 360. I could easily push that deck up to something over 500. Since the tier 8 HQ's give a base rating of 1500 might it be better to just keep playing the best stuff I have with my tier 4 HQ's and keep it under 1500?

Also, i dont think veterans playing cards that new players don't have access to "teaches" me anything. I only need to see that they have cards i will likely never have, once. It's a pretty simple lesson. Now some of those players have been nice enough to post alternate choices for tbose that cannot get those cards. And for the most part I've gotten some good discussion from the vets when I make a mistake that might have cost me a win or their thoughts on my deck choices. Personally i think it does more harm than good, but, if I had those cards, I'd probably be doing the same thing, lol. More information on when those cards start to see less play would be helpful for new players.



Dark_Ninja_Original #8 Posted 07 December 2015 - 12:53 AM

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My 11th squadron is at around the 800s and 900s is it too high? I Consider about the stugg spamming in the 500area

A6ZUM


RokkitSerjun #9 Posted 07 December 2015 - 03:28 AM

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First I think the non-beta players have really got way to much of a hard-on for the mythical unicorn cards they can't have. They are not exactly uber cards and in most cases were replaced by something functionally the same or better. I know that the only time I even used any of them was before I even knew they were special to me when I had just re-started playing and was still using the training HQ's. once I hit tier 4 and opened up the tree a bit I had zero use for them, so you guys really need to stop using these cards as an excuse, they are not game altering and rarely even see play past training HQ's.

Fochixi #10 Posted 07 December 2015 - 11:21 AM

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View PostRokkitSerjun, on 07 December 2015 - 03:28 AM, said:

First I think the non-beta players have really got way to much of a hard-on for the mythical unicorn cards they can't have. They are not exactly uber cards and in most cases were replaced by something functionally the same or better. I know that the only time I even used any of them was before I even knew they were special to me when I had just re-started playing and was still using the training HQ's. once I hit tier 4 and opened up the tree a bit I had zero use for them, so you guys really need to stop using these cards as an excuse, they are not game altering and rarely even see play past training HQ's.

I agree that many of the cards in question are not overpowered in their effects and/or resource costs. The fact still remains that they all have card ratings of 1 which allows people that have these cards to create decks that are far more powerful than what players who don't have these cards can create. This does produce game altering results and these decks do see quite a bit of play outside the training HQ's, Jute "seal clubbing" being the most common. I'm not saying that I want or need these cards. I'm simply pointing out that there is a certain bias for the alpha/beta testers...........and so what? I don't think that's a problem. They get an easier path to opening up their collection of cards. New players have a harder path because when we face off against not only a more experienced player, we are also facing a deck that is likely stronger than ours. I get the reality of the circumstances. I'm not complaining about them, I'm asking for insight on how to help new players avoid getting stuck in those rating tiers where they are constantly outmatched.


I'm not trying to turn this into some gripefest about alpa/beta testers getting stuff that others don't. It happens in a lot of games, it's to be expected and I really don't care. It's there and unless the developers are willing to consider appropriately rating the cards in question, there really is no discussion to be had on it. I want to know what can be done within the system that exists to mitigate these advantages and try to put myself on as even of a playing field as possible. That is why I asked the questions that I did in the original post.


My experience when playing higher rated decks has been that while I don't have as high a win rate as I do when playing lower rated decks, I do have more competitive games. IMO this is a good thing. Is this typical? Are their other rating brackets (higher or lower) that have this same parity?






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